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Title: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: kea001 on July 22, 2009, 10:28:56 AM
An Air France Airbus A340-300, registration F-GLZI performing flight AF-321 from Boston,MA (USA) to Paris Charles de Gaulle (France) with 125 people on board, had just switched to Boston Departure about one minute after takeoff from runway 15R, when the crew declared Mayday and reported a number 4 engine fire (outer right hand engine CFM56). The crew shut the engine down, managed to extinguish the fire indication, dumped fuel and returned to Boston, where the airplane landed safely on runway 04R about 25 minutes after takeoff, stopped on the runway for a quick check by fire engines and taxied to the gate requesting emergency vehicles to remain on standby at the gate due to hot brakes.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=41d0d859&opt=1


Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: dave on July 22, 2009, 10:46:00 AM
At that late hour Boston Approach usually switches to Boston Departure (ID, Initial Departure, Sector).
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: kea001 on July 22, 2009, 11:02:07 AM
Tower and Departure mixed. If the file's too big, I'll slice it some more.
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: dave on July 22, 2009, 11:02:47 AM
Tower and Departure included in mix. If the file's too big, I'll slice it some more.

Awesome, thanks!
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: migma on July 22, 2009, 11:25:12 AM
Great catch, thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: RobSimmons on July 22, 2009, 11:31:30 AM
Nice work!
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: rekno13 on July 22, 2009, 02:11:47 PM
is the wiggling flight path on landing because of the lost engine?

Thank you for the post!
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: kea001 on July 22, 2009, 03:38:05 PM
The GPS data is inaccurate.

You can see the original *.kml file in text form if you open up the attached file in notepad.
You can use this data to create your own kml file with a kml editor. You would have to massage the data to tidy up the output.
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: rekno13 on July 22, 2009, 04:56:02 PM
Ah ok, thought it was a bit odd : ) Thank you.
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: joeyb747 on July 22, 2009, 06:02:13 PM
Nice catch! Great audio!


Side note:
I hear the callsign "United 828 Tango" mentioned several times, is this maybe a training flight?

Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: Chananya Freedman on July 22, 2009, 06:33:08 PM
I don't think that that's a training flight! They may have many flight with the same flight number. So they need to put letters in to distinguish between the others.
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: joeyb747 on July 22, 2009, 07:38:46 PM
United 828 operates CYVR-KORD-KBOS...just checked United's website...it arrived in KBOS at 1:44am, 1 hr & 24 mins late. So this was not a training flight...just a late one! On this day, United 828 was a B737-300 from KORD to KBOS. An A319 was used on the first segment from CYVR to KORD.

CYVR-KORD:
Airline:  United  
Flight:  828  
Date:  Tue, Jul 21  
Status:  Arrived at Gate  
Aircraft type:  Airbus 319  

Departure  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Airport:  Vancouver, Canada (YVR)  
Scheduled departure:  2:01 PM  
Actual:  1:57 PM  
Reason:  --  
Terminal:  --  
Gate:  77  

Arrival  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Airport:  Chicago O'Hare, IL (ORD)  
Scheduled arrival:  8:03 PM  
Actual:  7:44 PM  

KORD-KBOS:
Airline:  United  
Flight:  828  
Date:  Tue, Jul 21  
Status:  Arrived at Gate  
Aircraft type:  Boeing 737-300

Departure  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Airport:  Chicago O'Hare, IL (ORD)  
Scheduled departure:  9:03 PM  
Actual:  10:29 PM  
Reason:  Schedule change due to Late Arriving Aircraft  
Terminal:  Terminal 1 Concourse B  
Gate:  B9  

Arrival  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Airport:  Boston, MA (BOS)  
Scheduled arrival:  12:20 AM  
Actual:  1:44 AM  
Reason:  Schedule change due to Late Arriving Aircraft  
Terminal:  terminal c  
Gate:  C20  

http://www.ua2go.com/flifo/FlightSummary.do?Check=&date=20090721&fltNbr=828&deparr=D&orig=&dest=&time=00002359&Check.x=49&Check.y=2

Still unsure about the "Tango" suffix on the callsign...not that it really matters...just curious...

Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: radarwatcher1 on July 23, 2009, 11:57:16 AM
If "tango" was added to the callsign usually that means that a flight with one aircraft using a callsign is late and the same flight number is departing with another aircraft, so atc will change the callsign by adding an alphanumeric digit to the end of the callsign to differentiate between the two callsigns and avoid confusion.
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: joeyb747 on July 23, 2009, 09:42:24 PM
If "tango" was added to the callsign usually that means that a flight with one aircraft using a callsign is late and the same flight number is departing with another aircraft, so atc will change the callsign by adding an alphanumeric digit to the end of the callsign to differentiate between the two callsigns and avoid confusion.

That makes total sense to me...except UAL 828 terminates in KBOS. It does not continue on...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL828

Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: migma on July 24, 2009, 08:54:52 PM
Air France plane makes emergency landing in Boston

(AP) – 1 day ago

BOSTON — An Air France flight out of Boston heading to Paris returned to make an early morning emergency landing 31 minutes after taking off.

Phil Orlandella, a spokesman for the Massachusetts Port Authority, said Wednesday that Flight 321 left Logan International Airport with 125 people on board at 1:16 a.m. Wednesday. Shortly afterward, a warning light flashed for one of its engines.

Orlandella said pilots shut down the engine and returned to the airport. The Airbus 340 landed back at Logan at 1:47 a.m. No injuries were reported.

Air France spokeswoman Karen Gillo said there was no engine fire.

Passengers were booked hotel rooms for the night and scheduled to leave to Paris on another flight later Wednesday.
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: Binford on July 26, 2009, 06:02:14 PM
Is it normal to say "mayday" at the end of the callsign each time?
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: jedgar on July 26, 2009, 06:36:56 PM
Is it normal to say "mayday" at the end of the callsign each time?

I was wondering that too.. bit odd. :)
 
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: migma on July 26, 2009, 08:28:55 PM
Is it normal to say "mayday" at the end of the callsign each time?

I was wondering that too.. bit odd. :)
 

same here, perhaps a standard ICAO procedure to distinguish the callsign since the frequency wasn't made exclusive to the mayday call?
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: flaps on July 27, 2009, 07:27:48 AM
It's a normal ICAO and europeen procedure to prefix the call sign with the PAN or MD to make sure that any aircraft who's checking in will be aware of the prevailing situation and make sure as well that any ATC involved will be aware in case of a frequency change even though changing the freq during an emergency is not usual.

Here's another example of a mayday with this Thomson flight where the crew pefix their call sign with the mayday key word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpSuPDWswNs

Regards,
flaps
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: cim85 on July 27, 2009, 09:40:49 PM
Thanks for the info flaps as I was also confused by the Mayday suffix attached to the Air France callsign.   

Nice audio snag!!
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: Steelrman on July 30, 2009, 12:23:31 PM
Good grief! I hope there are no environmentalists on this board angered over the fuel dump.   :-D
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: Steelrman on July 30, 2009, 04:47:13 PM
Air France plane makes emergency landing in Boston

(AP) – 1 day ago


Air France spokeswoman Karen Gillo said there was no engine fire.


How do you reconcile this statement with the audio?
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: kea001 on July 30, 2009, 04:56:18 PM


How do you reconcile this statement with the audio?

Air France reported, that the engine had not been on fire, the cause of the fire alert is under investigation.
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=41d0d859&opt=1
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: migma on July 30, 2009, 08:51:26 PM
Air France plane makes emergency landing in Boston

(AP) – 1 day ago


Air France spokeswoman Karen Gillo said there was no engine fire.


How do you reconcile this statement with the audio?

Not really sure at the beginning, I actually thought there was a cover up  :?

But thanks kea for the clarification :)
Title: Re: AFR321 - KBOS - July 22, 2009 - Engine Fire MAYDAY
Post by: johnm1019 on August 24, 2009, 11:09:41 PM
thanks for the editing!