Author Topic: 10 Jan: Warsaw Chopin lengthy closure after LOT3924 landed without nose gear  (Read 1564 times)

Offline GeoffSM1

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Many delays and diversions on this Approach feed.
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Aviation Herald: http://avherald.com/h?article=4b377c21

(Side note: anyone here speak Polish?)

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Here is edited audio from the Warsaw Director frequency.

A lot of the communications are in Polish (which I can't help with).

I see that one of the comments on The Aviation Herald website refers to the fact that on 6 December a tug hit the front nose wheel of this aircraft very hard.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2018, 07:43:25 AM by GeoffSM1 »

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Offline VASAviation

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Hi there,

Thanks for both the audio and information.

I'm editing a video about this incident and have some Polish subscribers working the transcript. I'll post it as soon as they send it to me :-)

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Here are  the limited communications I could find on the Ground feed.

More for your Polish speaking contacts Victor.
I hoped I might pick up the aircraft's departure from Krakow but I've been unable to find it, possibly because most of the transmissions on that feed are in Polish. Perhaps your subscribers will be able to help with that too.

Finally I should explain that the absence of the Tower feed from this thread is that that feed for the period in question is impossibly noisy.

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Okay, so a bit of explanation before pasting all of what some subs sent me via email. From these lines, if any of them is reading this forum, THANKS for your help with this!

I heard the entire first Geoff audio and extracted the Polish parts and created a new audio file to send to my subscribers so it's not in time since I picked them all up here and there from Geoff's audio. That's the new Polish comms audio file I'll be posting here so use this new file (or go through the entire 20 min file) to understand.

Again, thanks to the subscribers who contacted me via email to help. Infinite appreciate!

APP: LOT92K
LOT92K: TAK TAK, PLANUJEMY ZA CHWILKĘ ZACZĄĆ ZNIŻAĆ I OKOLICE VEBEL
(ISEC) BYŚMY ZACZELI WYPUSZCZAĆ AWARYJNIE PODWOZIE, PROSILIBYŚMY
ASYSTĘ DO LĄDOWANIA I BĘDZIE LĄDOWANIE AWARYJNE.
LOT92K: YES, YES, EXPECTING TO DESCEND SHORTLY, AROUND VEBEL (ISEC) WE
WOULD START EMERGENCY GEAR RELEASE, REQUESTING ASSISTANCE FOR
LANDING AND EXPECTING EMERGENCY LANDING.
APP: DOBRZE, AWARYJNE CZY LOW PASS ?
APP: FINE, EMERGENCY OR LOW PASS ?
LOT92K: BEZ LOW PASS’A, AWARYJNE.
LOT92K: WITHOUT LOW PASS, EMERGENCY.
APP: DOBRZE, NA BEMRZE (BEMRA ISEC) JAKA PRĘDKOŚĆ BĘDZIE ?
APP: FINE, WHAT SPEED WILL BE OVER BEMRA ?
LOT92K: PONIŻEJ 185KTS, BO NIE MOŻEMY PRZEKRACZAĆ, LOT92K.
LOT92K: LESS THAN 185KTS, WE CAN’T EXCEED, LOT92K
APP: OK, DZIĘKUJĘ I PEŁNY STAR ?
APP: OK, THANK YOU, FULL STAR ?
LOT92K: TAK, PEŁNEGO PROSIMY
LOT92K: YES, REQUESTING FULL.
APP: DOBRA, TAK BĘDZIE I SCHODZENIE WEDŁUG UZNANIA DO POZIOMU 100 NA
RAZIE.
APP: FINE, COPIED, DESCEND AT OWN DISCRETION FL100.
LOT92K: TO ZA CHWILĘ ZACZNIEMY DO SETKI W DÓŁ, LOT92K.
LOT92K: WILL START SHORTLY 100 DOWN, LOT92K.
APP: DOBRA.
APP: OK
??: (...)
APP: WŁAŚNIE SIĘ ODBYWA EMERGENCY LANDING, COŚ POWIEM JAK SIĘ
ODBĘDZIE.
APP: EMERGENCY LANDING IN PROGRES, I WILL SPEEK TO YOU AFTER FINISH

??: DOBRA, DZIĘKI.
??: OK, THANKS.

APP: LOT700, JAK Z PALIWEM ?
APP: LOT700, HOW IS YOUR FUEL ?
LOT700: JESZCZE SPOKOJNIE, MAMY NA PÓŁ GODZINY.
LOT700: SAFELY, FOR 30 MINUTES.
APP: ROGER
APP: ROGER
APP: (LOT700??) JAK TAM 700 ?
APP: (LOT700??) HOW IS IT, 700 ?
LOT700: NO MY RÓWNIEŻ MOŻEMY OKOŁO PÓŁ GODZINY JESZCZE W HOLDINGU I
POTEM POWIEMY CO DALEJ.
LOT700: WE ALSO CAN HOLD FOR ABOUT 30MINUTES AND LATER WILL TELL OUT
INTENTIONS.
APP: NO DOBRZE, TO W TAKIM RAZIE CZEKAM.
APP: FINE, STANDING BY.
APP: SRN6937
APP: SRN6937
SRN6937: RÓWNIEŻ PÓŁ GODZINY I PÓŹNIEJ PODAMY DECYZJE, POZIOM 180 NAD
EMKEN (ISEC).
SRN6937: ALSO 30MINUTES, AND LATER WILL TELL INTENTIONS, LEVEL 180 OVER
EMKEN (ISEC).
APP TO SRN6937: DOBRA DZIĘKUJĘ BARDZO
APP TO SRN6937: FINE, THANK YOU.
LOT700: MY PO KONTAKCIE Z BAZĄ, PONIEWAŻ TO MOŻE DŁUŻEJ POTRWAĆ
PROSILIBYŚMY DO RZESZOWA.
LOT700: AFTER CONTACTING MCC(BASE), BECAUSE IT MIGHT TAKE A TIME,
REQUESING RZESZÓW (EPRZ)
APP TO LOT700: OK, RZESZÓW BĘDZIE, W TAKIM RAZIE, POZIOM 140 WEJDŻCIE,
NARAZIE.
APP TO LOT700: OK, RZESZOW COPIED, IN THAT CASE CLIMB INITIALLY FL140.
LOT700: WCHODZIMY NARAZIE NA POZIOM 140.
LOT700: CLIMBING INITIALLY FL140
APP: DOBRA I, LOT700 HEADING 110.
APP: COPIED AND LOT700, HEADING 110.

LOT700: HEADING 110, LOT700.
LOT700: HEADING 110, LOT700
APP: LOT700, JAKI POZIOM NA TRASĘ ?
APP: LOT700, WHAT CRUISING FL ?
LOT700: 180 POPROSIMY, LOT700
LOT700: REQUESTING 180, LOT700
APP: LOT700, WCHODŻCIE POZIOM 170, NARAZIE.
APP: LOT700, CLIMB FL170 INITIALLY.
LOT700: 170 WCHODZIMY, LOT 7 0 0.
LOT700: CLIMBING FL170, LOT 700.
APP: LOT700, NA XIMBA (XIMBA ISEC) PROSZE NAWIGOWAĆ.
APP: LOT700, FLY DIRECT TO XIMBA.
LOT700: DIRECT XIMBA, LOT700.
LOT700: DIRECT XIMBA, LOT700.

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Nice work.

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Here are  the limited communications I could find on the Ground feed.
YAAAY! My feed is useful!
I hoped I might pick up the aircraft's departure from Krakow but I've been unable to find it, possibly because most of the transmissions on that feed are in Polish. Perhaps your subscribers will be able to help with that too.
Dont know where you have checked, but on LiveATC EPKK feed is down for more than five days now :)
Finally I should explain that the absence of the Tower feed from this thread is that that feed for the period in question is impossibly noisy.
I'm considering checking reception of EPWA TWR in my location - I've noticed constant noise problems on current TWR feed (its not my feed now, I maintain only Ground, Clearance and APP#2)

If you need any translation from Polish - I'm here waiting ;)
« Last Edit: January 11, 2018, 05:19:01 PM by Mhrok »
Volunteer maintainter:
EPWA Ground 121.9
EPWA Clearance Delivery 121.6
EPWA Approach #2 125.05
EPWA Tower #1 118.3
@R820T dongles + homemade dipole antenna

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Hi Mhrok.
Many thanks for providing the EPWA feeds I accessed for this thread.
I haven't checked to see whether the current poor reception on the Tower frequency is a recent phenomenon or a permanent feature. It would certainly be helpful if the quality could be improved.
In the current non-availability of the EPKK feed, I tried the EPKT feeds on here which are shown as including some Krakow frequencies.
Best wishes
Geoff

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Using the entire Geoff's audio (thanks as always), here it is edited with a view of the Warsaw Radar screen.

I was gonna add the GND/TWR audio but this video was already edited and a re-edition adjusting the radar screen again would have been a mess so I ended up using only the High Approach audio. Thank you everyone for your contribution with audios, information and Polish transcript/translation :-)


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Just for future reference: I'm recording EPWA TWR 24/7 on my setup (together with all my other feeds). If you need better audio quality than on LiveATC, contact me. :)
Problems with audio for this video happened to be "too much" and I started third (fourth, counting ADS-B) receiver in my setup :)
Volunteer maintainter:
EPWA Ground 121.9
EPWA Clearance Delivery 121.6
EPWA Approach #2 125.05
EPWA Tower #1 118.3
@R820T dongles + homemade dipole antenna

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Many thanks.

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